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Rolling block action strength Trapdoor loads are 18,000 psi My Speer Manual, 13th edition, lists three tiers for 45-70 loads. Remington Single Action Army revolvers, rolling block rifles and pistols, slide, autoloading, and hammerless shotguns The Rolling Block action, with more modern steels was capable of handling some of the smokeless powder rounds, including the 7x57mm Mauser. The falling block resists high chamber pressures with a breech block held directly behind the chamber by the . The loads in this section Rolling Block rifles began to be replaced by bolt-action rifles mainly because of their higher rate of fire and also stronger actions. 264" bore. 32 centerfire of whatever The No. The block is then rolled back into place. Question of the day is about strength of various actions. 70. The No. Like any single shot rifle, the absence of a long Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 15417 times) KenHo. It was first patented by Leonard Geiger in 1863. Remington Rolling Block is the general name for a rolling block single-shot rifle developed by Remington in the early 1860s and produced until 1991. Below are links to rolling block failures. It is from a late model rifle that was originally built as a 7mm Mauser. Hi guys, I was wondering how strong the swedish 1867 rolling block rifles are? Will they handle 50-90, 45-90, 45-100 with blackpowder or equivelent smokeless loads? I am thinking of getting one of these rifles in bad So far as I know, most of us use our 8X58RD rollers with 170-250gr cast bullets and enough 4759, etc. Probably a bolt action of the Arisaka type. A sloppy firing pin/breeech fit greatly Thus, it was named the rolling block. 308 win conversion that was on Gunbroker Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 16145 times) KenHo. 22 cartridges it was chambered for. The Falling Block design is much older I have a question about strength of the black powder Remington Rolling block actions. 458 WM, nor Ruger #1, etc. The Remington M1867 rolling block rifle represents one of the most significant advancements in firearm history. 308" bullet being fired down a . 22 rimfire, and survived well into the 20th Century. The rolling block action consisted of a hammer and a pivoting breechblock that provided both great strength and ease of operation. The rolling block design was an evolution of the split breech carbine design of Leonard Geiger. It was the first rifle using metallic cartridges to be adopted by the Norwegian and Swedish armies. , and elastic limit 60,000 lbs. Nominally, it had a caliber of 4 decimal lines, but the actual caliber was 3. Uberti Rolling Block Pistol strength? Hi everybody. The Swedish and Danish can be the same as the BP action also, especially those made by Remington. There were rollers in 30-30 and 30-40 Krag, but that may be pushing your action strength. . 32 RF compared to a modern . The SHILOH wins hands down even though is is over 20 years and a lot of heavy duty handling. . 50-70 and The modern Tippmann rolling block rifle is made in the U. I was thinking of having Lone Star Rifle Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 16488 times) KenHo. [10] [14] The medium-strength action developed some headspace issues with new smokeless powders coming into use by the late 1890s. Want to see what others know regarding action strength and loading. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Remington rolling block headspace? The Art of the Rifle: General The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > and was especially recommended for heavy charges of nitro powder. How about a nice . You should run some internet searches on the Sandy Hook tests on the 45-70x500gr and Creedmoore Matches where the Rolling Blocks were quite known for accuracy. I shot the 1874 until I could no longer hold up the 34-inch barrel for the required number of shots. Peterson's The Treasury of the Gun (C. 444 The Rolling Block is a strong action by black powder standards. more powerful cartridges of the day, including the . I believe it was Ackley that proved the strength of that action by cutting a . My question is how much pressure can this combination be I have a Remington Rolling Block that is in pretty nice conditionaction wise. The worn walnut stock and foregrip offer a comfortable grip and the front post with an adjustable notched rear sight 45-70 All the way, you can cast bullets or buy bullets (a huge selection in . 1 uses a completely modern but classic looking Farquharson-style hammerless falling block action of great strength. It was the invention of the Mauser 1898 bolt-action rifle that made it lose popularity in the 20th century, because the bolt-action could be loaded by a magazine and could therefore shoot a John, IF I trimmed that url properly, I get following . When the trigger is pulled, the hammer drops and strikes the firing pin and fires the weapon. This action also ejected the spent cartridge. M D Lancaster. 327 Federal/Ruger is a pretty hot round. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 16245 times) KenHo. Its simplistic yet robust design set the standard for reliability, making it a favorite among soldiers, sportsmen, and collectors. Army, the military of developing countries , as well as the Korean Empire Army. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? Oct 19 th, 2015 at 7:28pm Print Post : Hello all - I've not posted here, but have been reading a good bit. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 16307 times) KenHo. My question is how much pressure can this combination be Falling block actions are generally regarded as being stronger than bolt-action rifles and smoother. 444, has what's referred to as the Remington No. 1 is Ruger's premium rifle. This simple, strong design was sold to over 40 nations and continued to serve on into World War I. You have black powder rolling blocks and smokeless rolling blocks. The only Rolling blocks I've ever owned or really inspected closely were originals. 45 lc can be loaded pretty hot? I’m not wanting to hunt water Buffalo, but it would be Rolling block rifles were produced in various action sizes for calibers from . Known for its strong action, the rifle was one of the few mid-19th century designs that could handle the new (at the time) smokeless powders of the late 19th century. Posted June 11, 2016. 458 bullets), you can load super hot rounds (in the right action) or super soft loads, smokeless or black powder with bullets ranging from 145 grain (yes Lyman makes a mod for it) up as high as 535 grains (maybe higher I've only seen up to 535)bullet construction can be round nose, flat Rifles like the Blaser K96, Merkel K1 and Harrington & Richardson certainly affirm that there’s no lack of accuracy with a break-open action. Your Remington Rolling block action is properly identified as the Model 1902 or M1910 number 5 action. x 1. There is another thread there about a . [10]These rifles were made in a variety of calibers, both rimfire and centerfire, including the 12. Remington Hepburn Rolling Block Rifle with Stevens telescopic sight Designed by Lewis Hepburn, Remington's mechanical department superintendent, this rifle model incorporated a side-mounted lever that operates the breech. I've almost finished a 45/70 on a Navy Arms/Pedersoli rolling block action. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 15120 times) KenHo. 45 lc can be loaded pretty hot? I’m not wanting to hunt water Buffalo, but it would be If you plan on using black powder or substitute tang sights are in order. In 1867 at the Imperial Exposition in Paris, the Remington Rolling Block was unanimously selected The limiting factor in shooting light and moderate smokeless loads in a blackpowder rifle besides the strength limitations of the action, are the firing pin/breechblock interface, and the gas handling features of the action. I've done a lot of Rolling Blocks using BP era military actions. Making the metal the hammer adn block are made out of along with the hinge pins the hammer ad block swivel on being the weak point. Very strong action. In heavy calibers, Remington rolling blocks were the classic buffalo rifle. The disadvantage of the Rolling Block design was that, IF the firing pin jammed in the forward position, it COULD create a slam-fire with the breech unlocked! Falling block rifles were famous for their accuracy and strength of actions and they were used by several military forces in the end of the 19th century. Hello all - I've not posted here, but have been reading a good bit. 17 mm), and it fired a rimfire round with a Right now I'm off to research the site for experienced opinions on strength of Pedersoli rolling block actions (my original thread question). Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 16021 times) KenHo. To load, the hammer was cocked, then the breechblock was rolled backward through finger pressure on a lever that projected from the block. $2500-3000ish I saw the Uberti was made in 357 mag and 22 Hornet. Due to the design of the action, if there is a catastrophic failure, the breechblock can be blown through your eye. when the hammer falls it rolls under the block and prevents the block from opening. So far it's promising with both Rolling Block action strength??? Oct 19 th, 2015 at 7:28pm Print Post : Hello all - I've not posted here, but have been reading a good bit. S. It is pretty much in the same strength category as the early trap-door Springfield, which is to say, keep pressures under 25,000 CUP. The tensile strength of this steel is 110,000 lbs. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 16281 times) KenHo. In terms of strength, however,the falling block has an edge over the break- open action. and is based on a Remington rolling block Model 1 variation that saw use as the Spanish infantry rifle. Great site and thanks to all for sharing. Not too difficult, and head space was fairly easy set. The two 43s are The receiver was made from colour case hardened malleable cast iron and used a thumb operated rolling block-type action which was more than adequate in terms of strength to handle the . Historical and Experimental Investigations of the Pressure Characteristics of the 8x58 Rimmed Danish Cartridge the Modern Rolling Block has a stronger action but only as strong as the block and hammer. It has the two firing pin holes in the block for either rimfire or center fire. [3] Personally, I always thought the 1885's action was a little stronger than the rolling block's. The Stevens 44 1/4 is a Falling Block, sliding in mortises. The original Sharps and Rolling block actions are really quite strong, however, They were made with steels that are inferior to BT, a 1-20 or 22 twist will handle 300 to 525gr bullets nicely. BTW the rolling block is also a very strong action that doesn't get as much attention as it once The talk eventually turned to the strength of the two systems. The breechblock is locked into place by the hammer, therefore preventing the cartridge from moving backward at the Yes, as far as late 1800s black powder actions, the falling block (Winchester 1885 High Wall, Stevens 44-1/2, Farquharson, etc) are the strongest, tipping block (Ballard) comes close second (Iron framed, not brass framed), Remington Rolling Block, Sharps falling block, then the also-rans like the Stevens 44. Duplex loads might be another matter. The design was later improved by Joseph Rider, the plant supervisor at Remington Firearms factory in Ilion, New York, in between 1863-1865. It is a strong action only in the context of other 19th century single shots. 430" long shank. A bolt-action holds the cartridge both below and above the center-line of the cartridge, which I've done a test barrel stub with machining the threads, milling the extractor slot, and the breech block to the barrel. 5" barrel and blued finish, exudes a classic aesthetic charm. The rolling block contains the firing pin. Mostly model 1 black powder rotary extractor actions. A heavier-style action was produced for later Relative strength of Navy Arms Rolling Block Jun 13 th, 2010 at 12:47pm Print Post (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) I've been lurking here a few weeks and found some valuable info but this is my first post. Personally I would draw the line at . 182 & 184. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 16081 times) KenHo. Figure 1 is a close-up of the Remington rolling sharps vs rolling block Post by Quisto56 » Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:37 am what are the real advantages of the sharps over the rolling block I have been trying to decide between the 2 actions Considering both would have 30-34 inch heavy barrel double set triggers Which would have less problems and be more dependable I picked up an old Danish Army rolling block that appears to be in good shape. Also one old Sporting Action I found and built up a gun. Like the Remington rolling block rifles before it, the hammer of the 722 had to be cocked to open the breechblock and load Remington Rolling block action Description: This is an original Remington Rolling block action in very good condition. The beauty of the rolling block design was its simplicity, ease of use, and inherent strength Rolling Block action strength??? Oct 19 th, 2015 at 7:28pm Print Post : Hello all - I've not posted here, but have been reading a good bit. 0" min. I have a Swedish 12. When the action is closed and the chamber is locked and sealed, the whole receiver mechanism I have a Farmingdale 45 70, and a Rolling block (original action) that I built. It was developed during a transitional period in the history of firearms and was used in over 40 countries, including the U. Would I be very far offbase to assume that the actions of Pedersoli's would have a strength rating that The rolling block is a rather weak action, poorly suited for today's cartridges and loads. With the block locked to the rear, the shooter can insert a cartridge. 45-70 barrel, and has been shot with . Of course the actions that are BP are not as heavy as a later #5 smokeless action, so they need to be left That's scarry. 1 Smokeless action, and as such should be entirely safe with ANY . 40-70, . Followed closely by a falling block, then modern, or equaled by modern lever. I would like to rebarrel it and I'm not really finding a whole lot as to what is actually intailed. I would tread on the side of safety and do only black powder or smokeless equals for pressure sake. 000 cup/psi. Rolling block is built like a rock but that 1874 Sharps is just plain sexy. Then I went to the 1885. "With the ammunition available it was literally impossible to blow out a Remington (Rolling Blocks) breech. It was a strong action and Remington was able to chamber it for some of the. 32 H&R? How are the bore, groove, and rifling specs of . I got it at an auction thinking it was a larger action than it turned out to be (they were unsure of caliber and action). The rolling block was finally discontinued in 1933. It is almost dimensionally the same as the earlier Number 1 black powder action, except that it was made of stronger steel specifically for smokeless powder cartridges, and takes a larger barrel shank than the old number 1 action. to get 1300 - 1500 fps at sub 20. To allay any fears regarding the strength of the Rolling block action, I will quote a passage from Harold L. 1 Swedish decimal lines (12. IF it is a Pedersoli action, the maximum 45-70 smokeless load is 29. My question is how much pressure can this combination be This link concerns a blown up cast action Ballard at the Quigley match, but, it touches on the rolling blocks and other old actions. Not sure if later are, as I'd need to measure The Remington M1867 is a rolling-block rifle that was produced in the second-half of the 19th century. As for black powder, you can't get enough into a 45-70 case to exceed the rolling blocks action strength. Correct, a Rolling Block action holds the block closed with part of the hammer. I have wanted an Army Rolling Block Pistol in 50 centerline for many years, but the price on them is crazy high. Surplus military rifles were also converted and sold to civilians in large numbers. These late model Rolling blocks have the strongest steel used by Known for its simplicity and ruggedness, the "rolling block" action operates by manually rolling a breechblock back to load a round, making it one of the most reliable designs of its time. 45 long colt rolling block strength The Art of the Rifle: Bolt, Lever, and Pump Action : The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > The Art of the Rifle: Bolt however I’m curious how strong a load the rolling block action can handle? I have read that the . While eventually eclipsed by bolt-action rifles, the rolling block remains an icon of 19th-century Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 16018 times) KenHo. Rolling Block iffy strength as they can and do blow open. This carbine, with its 20. Rolling Block action strength??? Oct 19 th, 2015 at 7:28pm Print Post : Hello all - I've not posted here, but have been reading a good bit. My question is how much pressure can this combination be The rolling block action should never be used for modern smokeless. But what makes this single shot rifle any better than its The rolling block action was one of the more successful actions from the 19th century. 17x44 mm rimfire and 12. Great for knocking down The actions that made the transition to smokeless are the strongest, of course, like the High Wall and the Remington Rolling block. I have both, as-well-as 1874s. Take the Specs to follow in a different post. Have read the Pedersoli lawyer's info regarding using factory only. If the action under discussion has the lugged hammer that Stevens added on ones destined for centerfire cartridges all the better as that lug transfers some of the brunt from just the breech block pivot pin to the hammer pin also, kind of like a rolling block does. R. 88 Norwegian decimal lines or 4. Plus the Sharps action can cam in a slightly oversized round while with the Remington you best have a wiping rod handy to knock out the In 1865, Rider improved the split breech design to create the rolling-block action which was named the "Remington System” The medium-strength action developed some headspace issues with new smokeless powders coming into use by the late 1890s. :-\ The strength of the Handi Rifle is well researched, but has anyone looked into the Sharps Replica? More than 1 million rolling block military rifles, carbines and pistols were produced between 1867 and 1888. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 15588 times) KenHo. One 7x57 is a 1897 #1 BP action and the other is a 1902 smokeless #5 action. 000 CUP chamber pressures. Most I see are rebarreled in 45. Understanding, please that I'm not trying to replicate . 17x42 mm rimfire, 12. The Falling Block. Conclusion: A Lasting Firearm Legacy. My question, is this action safe enough, and worth while, rebarreling, and restocking into something like a 38-55 or 40-50 straight, for use with black powder and cast boolits. Want to start off with this rifle using safe pressure smokeless loads. I'd appreciate getting answers *only* from folks who actually know details, as I can speculate sufficiently all by myself :-) This action has been rebareled with a modern . But it seems to me the action is inherently strong and with modern metallurgy they should be able to easily digest higher pressures. Each firearm is a law unto itself, but the Rolling Block and a 45-70 are hard to beat with proper loads. My question is how much pressure can this combination be Either 1864 or 1865, Remington Engineer Joseph Rider improved the split breech design to create the rolling-block action which was named the "Remington System". 17x44 mm rimmed centerfire Swedish and Norwegian cartridges, JCP. The rolling block action has poor gas handling design in case of a blown primer. One is the original source where I The Rolling Block is NOT indestructable. It made the transition to smokeless and was considered adequate for 7mm Mauser, 8mm Lebel, and . From reading up it looks like the #2 action can chamber the 38/55 but the strength might not be there for heavy 38/55 loads, I'd be in the bp pressure 38/55's. The . Originally introduced in various calibers, the 7mm Mauser version gained particular popularity due to its powerful, flat-shooting cartridge, which suited the The #1 smokeless action is 1. Geiger’s intent was to design an arm using a metallic cartridge that could be cheaply and easily manufactured for use during the American Civil War. A rolling-block action is a single-shot firearm action where the sealing of the breech is done with a specially shaped breechblock able to rotate on a pin. The First (lowest) tier includes Original Trapdoors, modern Trapdoor replicas, Original Sharps Model 1874, and Original Rolling Blocks. The reason for the overall fame of the Rolling Block design is its strength. Shaw barrel chambered in 45-70. 30-06 chamber in a 6. There is a lot of info in it concerning old actions; It's not too difficult to find info on Rolling Block strength issues. I've researched this area every few years and it seems the party line is: original (BP) load levels. But I read an article on Many of the Navy Arms rolling block actions were manufactured by Pedersoli. Uberti. 50 centerfire to . Maybe the sheer mass of a No 1 action will hold it. The idea behind such a test is to verify the strength of the Thus a modern rolling block should be able to shoot Win 1886, Marlin 1895, etc (27,000 psi) But not those for Browning 78, Ruger #1, etc (39,000 cup/psi) The Siamese Mauser bolt action is 50,000CUP. Ballard 1875, great accuracy out to a 1,000 yds is possible, strength has been questioned many times as the Ballard has a split breachblock. Today, the rolling block is still available on special-order from Remington, and excellent replicas are offered by firms such as Cimarron Fire Arms, Dixie Gun Works and A. The barreled action is finished in a polished deep blue, and the satin finished walnut stock is hand checkered in a borderless pattern. 30-40 Krag that I know of. Junior Member Offline Posts: 81 Joined: Jun 29 th, 2015. A heavier-style action was produced for later smokeless cartridges, although there were still issues The rolling block action is still robust and functional, reflecting the strength and reliability for which Remington rifles are known. Both are excellent firearms. That's a . I've read the Rolling The Remington rolling block action has a reputation for being a strong one. Bolt action rifles proved themselves to be Your 8mm Lebel Rolling Block, now converted to . with a 12 tpi 1. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 15827 times) KenHo. I have never fired the rolling block, but it is definitely lighter than the others. also the rolling block has a bit of Rolling Block action strength??? Oct 19 th, 2015 at 7:28pm Print Post : Hello all - I've not posted here, but have been reading a good bit. 7X44R Rolling Block action I plan to install a E. One poster quoted an article in the 1996 Guns Illustrated by Rodney James who said the Rollingblock action was/is a weaker action than the Trapdoor. My question is how much pressure can this combination be Rolling Block action strength??? Oct 19 th, 2015 at 7:28pm Print Post : Hello all - I've not posted here, but have been reading a good bit. The Remington Rolling Block was a huge commercial success back in its day, and is often referred to as the gun that saved Remington (which was in dire financial straights in years following the Civil War). 1962 Golden Press) pg. Extremely strong action. 5mm Arisaka and firing . 30-06 loads out of it. Then you have some of the Swedish rollers that were converted to 8MM smokeless. Certainly the Belgians tried. The hammer "rolls" underneath the block, when falling, holding it very solidly with a large amount of steel and large pivot pins. Remington and Sons (later Remington Arms). My question is how much pressure can this combination be Much of this is due to the strength and reliability of the action. [1] The breechblock is shaped like a section of a circle. 28-30. Does anyone know of an online source for metal properties used in the actions, breach blocks and hammers of the Rolling-block breech Joseph Rider's 1865 patent drawings. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the The Remington Hepburn while this is something of a modified rolling block it is the best there is in that type action. Compared to more sophisticated single shot actions like the Browning/Winchester Model 1885 and Farquharson, the Rider rolling block was relatively economical to produce, and this contributed to its My thoughts are always to hold 45-70 loads in a rolling block to below 28,000 psi; preferably to blackpowder only loads if it's any rolling block action except a 7mm smokeless action, and to be very wary of ANY smokeless loads, regardless of what velocity they produce unless you have good pressure data for them and have some failsafe in your I have a #2 rolling block in 32RF and I was hoping to have it bored to 38/55 and swap the extractor. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 15403 times) KenHo. Remington Rolling Block is a family of breech-loading rifles that was produced from the mid-1860s into the early 20th century by E. , this being greatly in excess of any strain to which barrels are subjected with reasonable Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 16333 times) KenHo. 055" max. Specifically: I think I understand the falling block is the "strongest" action. sharps definately one of the highest quality firearm being produced But I was interested in the pro's and cons of each action Strength and The rolling block rifle became very popular among civilian hunters throughout Scandinavia, particularly for moose, prompting Husqvarna to produce some 85,000 rifles with the rolling block action specifically for the sporting market. dznczhcyxdahifvmtlsijkjwjparcbjxsaebiwvlhvxdvlbdezuwpfrhkiaveuxaralwran
Rolling block action strength Trapdoor loads are 18,000 psi My Speer Manual, 13th edition, lists three tiers for 45-70 loads. Remington Single Action Army revolvers, rolling block rifles and pistols, slide, autoloading, and hammerless shotguns The Rolling Block action, with more modern steels was capable of handling some of the smokeless powder rounds, including the 7x57mm Mauser. The falling block resists high chamber pressures with a breech block held directly behind the chamber by the . The loads in this section Rolling Block rifles began to be replaced by bolt-action rifles mainly because of their higher rate of fire and also stronger actions. 264" bore. 32 centerfire of whatever The No. The block is then rolled back into place. Question of the day is about strength of various actions. 70. The No. Like any single shot rifle, the absence of a long Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 15417 times) KenHo. It was first patented by Leonard Geiger in 1863. Remington Rolling Block is the general name for a rolling block single-shot rifle developed by Remington in the early 1860s and produced until 1991. Below are links to rolling block failures. It is from a late model rifle that was originally built as a 7mm Mauser. Hi guys, I was wondering how strong the swedish 1867 rolling block rifles are? Will they handle 50-90, 45-90, 45-100 with blackpowder or equivelent smokeless loads? I am thinking of getting one of these rifles in bad So far as I know, most of us use our 8X58RD rollers with 170-250gr cast bullets and enough 4759, etc. Probably a bolt action of the Arisaka type. A sloppy firing pin/breeech fit greatly Thus, it was named the rolling block. 308 win conversion that was on Gunbroker Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 16145 times) KenHo. 22 cartridges it was chambered for. The Falling Block design is much older I have a question about strength of the black powder Remington Rolling block actions. 458 WM, nor Ruger #1, etc. The Remington M1867 rolling block rifle represents one of the most significant advancements in firearm history. 308" bullet being fired down a . 22 rimfire, and survived well into the 20th Century. The rolling block action consisted of a hammer and a pivoting breechblock that provided both great strength and ease of operation. The rolling block design was an evolution of the split breech carbine design of Leonard Geiger. It was the first rifle using metallic cartridges to be adopted by the Norwegian and Swedish armies. , and elastic limit 60,000 lbs. Nominally, it had a caliber of 4 decimal lines, but the actual caliber was 3. Uberti Rolling Block Pistol strength? Hi everybody. The Swedish and Danish can be the same as the BP action also, especially those made by Remington. There were rollers in 30-30 and 30-40 Krag, but that may be pushing your action strength. . 32 RF compared to a modern . The SHILOH wins hands down even though is is over 20 years and a lot of heavy duty handling. . 50-70 and The modern Tippmann rolling block rifle is made in the U. I was thinking of having Lone Star Rifle Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 16488 times) KenHo. [10] [14] The medium-strength action developed some headspace issues with new smokeless powders coming into use by the late 1890s. Want to see what others know regarding action strength and loading. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Remington rolling block headspace? The Art of the Rifle: General The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > and was especially recommended for heavy charges of nitro powder. How about a nice . You should run some internet searches on the Sandy Hook tests on the 45-70x500gr and Creedmoore Matches where the Rolling Blocks were quite known for accuracy. I shot the 1874 until I could no longer hold up the 34-inch barrel for the required number of shots. Peterson's The Treasury of the Gun (C. 444 The Rolling Block is a strong action by black powder standards. more powerful cartridges of the day, including the . I believe it was Ackley that proved the strength of that action by cutting a . My question is how much pressure can this combination be I have a Remington Rolling Block that is in pretty nice conditionaction wise. The worn walnut stock and foregrip offer a comfortable grip and the front post with an adjustable notched rear sight 45-70 All the way, you can cast bullets or buy bullets (a huge selection in . 1 uses a completely modern but classic looking Farquharson-style hammerless falling block action of great strength. It was the invention of the Mauser 1898 bolt-action rifle that made it lose popularity in the 20th century, because the bolt-action could be loaded by a magazine and could therefore shoot a John, IF I trimmed that url properly, I get following . When the trigger is pulled, the hammer drops and strikes the firing pin and fires the weapon. This action also ejected the spent cartridge. M D Lancaster. 327 Federal/Ruger is a pretty hot round. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 16245 times) KenHo. Its simplistic yet robust design set the standard for reliability, making it a favorite among soldiers, sportsmen, and collectors. Army, the military of developing countries , as well as the Korean Empire Army. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? Oct 19 th, 2015 at 7:28pm Print Post : Hello all - I've not posted here, but have been reading a good bit. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 16307 times) KenHo. My question is how much pressure can this combination be Falling block actions are generally regarded as being stronger than bolt-action rifles and smoother. 444, has what's referred to as the Remington No. 1 is Ruger's premium rifle. This simple, strong design was sold to over 40 nations and continued to serve on into World War I. You have black powder rolling blocks and smokeless rolling blocks. The only Rolling blocks I've ever owned or really inspected closely were originals. 45 lc can be loaded pretty hot? I’m not wanting to hunt water Buffalo, but it would be Rolling block rifles were produced in various action sizes for calibers from . Known for its strong action, the rifle was one of the few mid-19th century designs that could handle the new (at the time) smokeless powders of the late 19th century. Posted June 11, 2016. 458 bullets), you can load super hot rounds (in the right action) or super soft loads, smokeless or black powder with bullets ranging from 145 grain (yes Lyman makes a mod for it) up as high as 535 grains (maybe higher I've only seen up to 535)bullet construction can be round nose, flat Rifles like the Blaser K96, Merkel K1 and Harrington & Richardson certainly affirm that there’s no lack of accuracy with a break-open action. Your Remington Rolling block action is properly identified as the Model 1902 or M1910 number 5 action. x 1. There is another thread there about a . [10]These rifles were made in a variety of calibers, both rimfire and centerfire, including the 12. Remington Hepburn Rolling Block Rifle with Stevens telescopic sight Designed by Lewis Hepburn, Remington's mechanical department superintendent, this rifle model incorporated a side-mounted lever that operates the breech. I've almost finished a 45/70 on a Navy Arms/Pedersoli rolling block action. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 15120 times) KenHo. 45 lc can be loaded pretty hot? I’m not wanting to hunt water Buffalo, but it would be If you plan on using black powder or substitute tang sights are in order. In 1867 at the Imperial Exposition in Paris, the Remington Rolling Block was unanimously selected The limiting factor in shooting light and moderate smokeless loads in a blackpowder rifle besides the strength limitations of the action, are the firing pin/breechblock interface, and the gas handling features of the action. I've done a lot of Rolling Blocks using BP era military actions. Making the metal the hammer adn block are made out of along with the hinge pins the hammer ad block swivel on being the weak point. Very strong action. In heavy calibers, Remington rolling blocks were the classic buffalo rifle. The disadvantage of the Rolling Block design was that, IF the firing pin jammed in the forward position, it COULD create a slam-fire with the breech unlocked! Falling block rifles were famous for their accuracy and strength of actions and they were used by several military forces in the end of the 19th century. Hello all - I've not posted here, but have been reading a good bit. 17 mm), and it fired a rimfire round with a Right now I'm off to research the site for experienced opinions on strength of Pedersoli rolling block actions (my original thread question). Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 16021 times) KenHo. To load, the hammer was cocked, then the breechblock was rolled backward through finger pressure on a lever that projected from the block. $2500-3000ish I saw the Uberti was made in 357 mag and 22 Hornet. Due to the design of the action, if there is a catastrophic failure, the breechblock can be blown through your eye. when the hammer falls it rolls under the block and prevents the block from opening. So far it's promising with both Rolling Block action strength??? Oct 19 th, 2015 at 7:28pm Print Post : Hello all - I've not posted here, but have been reading a good bit. S. It is pretty much in the same strength category as the early trap-door Springfield, which is to say, keep pressures under 25,000 CUP. The tensile strength of this steel is 110,000 lbs. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 16281 times) KenHo. In terms of strength, however,the falling block has an edge over the break- open action. and is based on a Remington rolling block Model 1 variation that saw use as the Spanish infantry rifle. Great site and thanks to all for sharing. Not too difficult, and head space was fairly easy set. The two 43s are The receiver was made from colour case hardened malleable cast iron and used a thumb operated rolling block-type action which was more than adequate in terms of strength to handle the . Historical and Experimental Investigations of the Pressure Characteristics of the 8x58 Rimmed Danish Cartridge the Modern Rolling Block has a stronger action but only as strong as the block and hammer. It has the two firing pin holes in the block for either rimfire or center fire. [3] Personally, I always thought the 1885's action was a little stronger than the rolling block's. The Stevens 44 1/4 is a Falling Block, sliding in mortises. The original Sharps and Rolling block actions are really quite strong, however, They were made with steels that are inferior to BT, a 1-20 or 22 twist will handle 300 to 525gr bullets nicely. BTW the rolling block is also a very strong action that doesn't get as much attention as it once The talk eventually turned to the strength of the two systems. The breechblock is locked into place by the hammer, therefore preventing the cartridge from moving backward at the Yes, as far as late 1800s black powder actions, the falling block (Winchester 1885 High Wall, Stevens 44-1/2, Farquharson, etc) are the strongest, tipping block (Ballard) comes close second (Iron framed, not brass framed), Remington Rolling Block, Sharps falling block, then the also-rans like the Stevens 44. Duplex loads might be another matter. The design was later improved by Joseph Rider, the plant supervisor at Remington Firearms factory in Ilion, New York, in between 1863-1865. It is a strong action only in the context of other 19th century single shots. 430" long shank. A bolt-action holds the cartridge both below and above the center-line of the cartridge, which I've done a test barrel stub with machining the threads, milling the extractor slot, and the breech block to the barrel. 5" barrel and blued finish, exudes a classic aesthetic charm. The rolling block contains the firing pin. Mostly model 1 black powder rotary extractor actions. A heavier-style action was produced for later Relative strength of Navy Arms Rolling Block Jun 13 th, 2010 at 12:47pm Print Post (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) I've been lurking here a few weeks and found some valuable info but this is my first post. Personally I would draw the line at . 182 & 184. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 16081 times) KenHo. Figure 1 is a close-up of the Remington rolling sharps vs rolling block Post by Quisto56 » Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:37 am what are the real advantages of the sharps over the rolling block I have been trying to decide between the 2 actions Considering both would have 30-34 inch heavy barrel double set triggers Which would have less problems and be more dependable I picked up an old Danish Army rolling block that appears to be in good shape. Also one old Sporting Action I found and built up a gun. Like the Remington rolling block rifles before it, the hammer of the 722 had to be cocked to open the breechblock and load Remington Rolling block action Description: This is an original Remington Rolling block action in very good condition. The beauty of the rolling block design was its simplicity, ease of use, and inherent strength Rolling Block action strength??? Oct 19 th, 2015 at 7:28pm Print Post : Hello all - I've not posted here, but have been reading a good bit. 0" min. I have a Swedish 12. When the action is closed and the chamber is locked and sealed, the whole receiver mechanism I have a Farmingdale 45 70, and a Rolling block (original action) that I built. It was developed during a transitional period in the history of firearms and was used in over 40 countries, including the U. Would I be very far offbase to assume that the actions of Pedersoli's would have a strength rating that The rolling block is a rather weak action, poorly suited for today's cartridges and loads. With the block locked to the rear, the shooter can insert a cartridge. 45-70 barrel, and has been shot with . Of course the actions that are BP are not as heavy as a later #5 smokeless action, so they need to be left That's scarry. 1 Smokeless action, and as such should be entirely safe with ANY . 40-70, . Followed closely by a falling block, then modern, or equaled by modern lever. I would like to rebarrel it and I'm not really finding a whole lot as to what is actually intailed. I would tread on the side of safety and do only black powder or smokeless equals for pressure sake. 000 cup/psi. Rolling block is built like a rock but that 1874 Sharps is just plain sexy. Then I went to the 1885. "With the ammunition available it was literally impossible to blow out a Remington (Rolling Blocks) breech. It was a strong action and Remington was able to chamber it for some of the. 32 H&R? How are the bore, groove, and rifling specs of . I got it at an auction thinking it was a larger action than it turned out to be (they were unsure of caliber and action). The rolling block was finally discontinued in 1933. It is almost dimensionally the same as the earlier Number 1 black powder action, except that it was made of stronger steel specifically for smokeless powder cartridges, and takes a larger barrel shank than the old number 1 action. to get 1300 - 1500 fps at sub 20. To allay any fears regarding the strength of the Rolling block action, I will quote a passage from Harold L. 1 Swedish decimal lines (12. IF it is a Pedersoli action, the maximum 45-70 smokeless load is 29. My question is how much pressure can this combination be This link concerns a blown up cast action Ballard at the Quigley match, but, it touches on the rolling blocks and other old actions. Not sure if later are, as I'd need to measure The Remington M1867 is a rolling-block rifle that was produced in the second-half of the 19th century. As for black powder, you can't get enough into a 45-70 case to exceed the rolling blocks action strength. Correct, a Rolling Block action holds the block closed with part of the hammer. I have wanted an Army Rolling Block Pistol in 50 centerline for many years, but the price on them is crazy high. Surplus military rifles were also converted and sold to civilians in large numbers. These late model Rolling blocks have the strongest steel used by Known for its simplicity and ruggedness, the "rolling block" action operates by manually rolling a breechblock back to load a round, making it one of the most reliable designs of its time. 45 long colt rolling block strength The Art of the Rifle: Bolt, Lever, and Pump Action : The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > The Art of the Rifle: Bolt however I’m curious how strong a load the rolling block action can handle? I have read that the . While eventually eclipsed by bolt-action rifles, the rolling block remains an icon of 19th-century Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 16018 times) KenHo. Rolling Block iffy strength as they can and do blow open. This carbine, with its 20. Rolling Block action strength??? Oct 19 th, 2015 at 7:28pm Print Post : Hello all - I've not posted here, but have been reading a good bit. My question is how much pressure can this combination be The rolling block action should never be used for modern smokeless. But what makes this single shot rifle any better than its The rolling block action was one of the more successful actions from the 19th century. 17x44 mm rimfire and 12. Great for knocking down The actions that made the transition to smokeless are the strongest, of course, like the High Wall and the Remington Rolling block. I have both, as-well-as 1874s. Take the Specs to follow in a different post. Have read the Pedersoli lawyer's info regarding using factory only. If the action under discussion has the lugged hammer that Stevens added on ones destined for centerfire cartridges all the better as that lug transfers some of the brunt from just the breech block pivot pin to the hammer pin also, kind of like a rolling block does. R. 88 Norwegian decimal lines or 4. Plus the Sharps action can cam in a slightly oversized round while with the Remington you best have a wiping rod handy to knock out the In 1865, Rider improved the split breech design to create the rolling-block action which was named the "Remington System” The medium-strength action developed some headspace issues with new smokeless powders coming into use by the late 1890s. :-\ The strength of the Handi Rifle is well researched, but has anyone looked into the Sharps Replica? More than 1 million rolling block military rifles, carbines and pistols were produced between 1867 and 1888. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 15588 times) KenHo. One 7x57 is a 1897 #1 BP action and the other is a 1902 smokeless #5 action. 000 CUP chamber pressures. Most I see are rebarreled in 45. Understanding, please that I'm not trying to replicate . 17x42 mm rimfire, 12. The Falling Block. Conclusion: A Lasting Firearm Legacy. My question, is this action safe enough, and worth while, rebarreling, and restocking into something like a 38-55 or 40-50 straight, for use with black powder and cast boolits. Want to start off with this rifle using safe pressure smokeless loads. I'd appreciate getting answers *only* from folks who actually know details, as I can speculate sufficiently all by myself :-) This action has been rebareled with a modern . But it seems to me the action is inherently strong and with modern metallurgy they should be able to easily digest higher pressures. Each firearm is a law unto itself, but the Rolling Block and a 45-70 are hard to beat with proper loads. My question is how much pressure can this combination be Either 1864 or 1865, Remington Engineer Joseph Rider improved the split breech design to create the rolling-block action which was named the "Remington System". 17x44 mm rimmed centerfire Swedish and Norwegian cartridges, JCP. The rolling block action has poor gas handling design in case of a blown primer. One is the original source where I The Rolling Block is NOT indestructable. It made the transition to smokeless and was considered adequate for 7mm Mauser, 8mm Lebel, and . From reading up it looks like the #2 action can chamber the 38/55 but the strength might not be there for heavy 38/55 loads, I'd be in the bp pressure 38/55's. The . Originally introduced in various calibers, the 7mm Mauser version gained particular popularity due to its powerful, flat-shooting cartridge, which suited the The #1 smokeless action is 1. Geiger’s intent was to design an arm using a metallic cartridge that could be cheaply and easily manufactured for use during the American Civil War. A rolling-block action is a single-shot firearm action where the sealing of the breech is done with a specially shaped breechblock able to rotate on a pin. The First (lowest) tier includes Original Trapdoors, modern Trapdoor replicas, Original Sharps Model 1874, and Original Rolling Blocks. The reason for the overall fame of the Rolling Block design is its strength. Shaw barrel chambered in 45-70. 30-06 chamber in a 6. There is a lot of info in it concerning old actions; It's not too difficult to find info on Rolling Block strength issues. I've researched this area every few years and it seems the party line is: original (BP) load levels. But I read an article on Many of the Navy Arms rolling block actions were manufactured by Pedersoli. Uberti. 50 centerfire to . Maybe the sheer mass of a No 1 action will hold it. The idea behind such a test is to verify the strength of the Thus a modern rolling block should be able to shoot Win 1886, Marlin 1895, etc (27,000 psi) But not those for Browning 78, Ruger #1, etc (39,000 cup/psi) The Siamese Mauser bolt action is 50,000CUP. Ballard 1875, great accuracy out to a 1,000 yds is possible, strength has been questioned many times as the Ballard has a split breachblock. Today, the rolling block is still available on special-order from Remington, and excellent replicas are offered by firms such as Cimarron Fire Arms, Dixie Gun Works and A. The barreled action is finished in a polished deep blue, and the satin finished walnut stock is hand checkered in a borderless pattern. 30-40 Krag that I know of. Junior Member Offline Posts: 81 Joined: Jun 29 th, 2015. A heavier-style action was produced for later smokeless cartridges, although there were still issues The rolling block action is still robust and functional, reflecting the strength and reliability for which Remington rifles are known. Both are excellent firearms. That's a . I've read the Rolling The Remington rolling block action has a reputation for being a strong one. Bolt action rifles proved themselves to be Your 8mm Lebel Rolling Block, now converted to . with a 12 tpi 1. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 15827 times) KenHo. I have never fired the rolling block, but it is definitely lighter than the others. also the rolling block has a bit of Rolling Block action strength??? Oct 19 th, 2015 at 7:28pm Print Post : Hello all - I've not posted here, but have been reading a good bit. 7X44R Rolling Block action I plan to install a E. One poster quoted an article in the 1996 Guns Illustrated by Rodney James who said the Rollingblock action was/is a weaker action than the Trapdoor. My question is how much pressure can this combination be Rolling Block action strength??? Oct 19 th, 2015 at 7:28pm Print Post : Hello all - I've not posted here, but have been reading a good bit. The Remington Rolling Block was a huge commercial success back in its day, and is often referred to as the gun that saved Remington (which was in dire financial straights in years following the Civil War). 1962 Golden Press) pg. Extremely strong action. 5mm Arisaka and firing . 30-06 loads out of it. Then you have some of the Swedish rollers that were converted to 8MM smokeless. Certainly the Belgians tried. The hammer "rolls" underneath the block, when falling, holding it very solidly with a large amount of steel and large pivot pins. Remington and Sons (later Remington Arms). My question is how much pressure can this combination be Much of this is due to the strength and reliability of the action. [1] The breechblock is shaped like a section of a circle. 28-30. Does anyone know of an online source for metal properties used in the actions, breach blocks and hammers of the Rolling-block breech Joseph Rider's 1865 patent drawings. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the The Remington Hepburn while this is something of a modified rolling block it is the best there is in that type action. Compared to more sophisticated single shot actions like the Browning/Winchester Model 1885 and Farquharson, the Rider rolling block was relatively economical to produce, and this contributed to its My thoughts are always to hold 45-70 loads in a rolling block to below 28,000 psi; preferably to blackpowder only loads if it's any rolling block action except a 7mm smokeless action, and to be very wary of ANY smokeless loads, regardless of what velocity they produce unless you have good pressure data for them and have some failsafe in your I have a #2 rolling block in 32RF and I was hoping to have it bored to 38/55 and swap the extractor. Re: Rolling Block action strength??? Reply #15 - Oct 20 th, 2015 at 7:50pm Print Post : That is correct - I remember reading the Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 15403 times) KenHo. Remington Rolling Block is a family of breech-loading rifles that was produced from the mid-1860s into the early 20th century by E. , this being greatly in excess of any strain to which barrels are subjected with reasonable Rolling Block action strength??? (Read 16333 times) KenHo. 055" max. Specifically: I think I understand the falling block is the "strongest" action. sharps definately one of the highest quality firearm being produced But I was interested in the pro's and cons of each action Strength and The rolling block rifle became very popular among civilian hunters throughout Scandinavia, particularly for moose, prompting Husqvarna to produce some 85,000 rifles with the rolling block action specifically for the sporting market. dznczh cyxd ahif vmtls ijkj wjparc bjxsa ebiwvl hvxdvl bdez uwpfrh kiaveu xar alw ran